According To A Right Wing Fundamentalist Website...

I'm a Secular Humanist.

Here are my test results:

Your classification is: Secular Humanist Worldview Thinker

Your score is: 55 points of 166 possible, 33%

Scoring/Ratings Chart
Strong Biblical Worldview Thinker 75% - 100%
Moderate Biblical Worldview Thinker 50% - 74%
Secular Humanist Worldview Thinker 25% - 49%
Socialist Worldview Thinker 0% - 24%
Communist/Marxist/Socialist/Secular Humanist Worldview Thinker under 0%

Results for Age Group: 26-35
Strong Biblical Worldview Thinker 64.6%
Moderate Biblical Worldview Thinker 20.0%
Secular Humanist Worldview Thinker 5.7%
Socialist Worldview Thinker 3.3%
Communist/Marxist/Socialist/Secular Humanist Worldview Thinker 6.5%



Total Results for Everyone
Strong Biblical Worldview Thinker 56.2%
Moderate Biblical Worldview Thinker 26.4%
Secular Humanist Worldview Thinker 9.6%
Socialist Worldview Thinker 3.4%
Communist/Marxist/Socialist/Secular Humanist Worldview Thinker 4.3%

Even better is the laughable suggestions to save my soul and change it into a brainwashed Right Wing Extremist Fungelical bible literalist:

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See the Test Frequently Asked Questions.
To improve your biblical worldiew or that of your teen we recommend the following things:

Attend a Worldview Weekend near you.
Send your 16 to 25 year olds to a two-week Summit camp in Colorado. (You will find a link to their web page on every page of our website)
Adults should consider a one week Summit experience at our Adult/Educators Conf held at the Navigator's Glen Eyrie Conference Center.
Begin teaching or attending a 13 week course of study entitled Thinking Like A Christain. This course is for sale at our onlne bookstore at www.worldviewweekend.com
Read the following worldview books which are available at our online bookstore at www.worldviewweekend.com
Mind Seige by Dr. Tim LaHaye and Dr. David Noebel
God & Government I, II, and III by Gary DeMar
No Retreats, No Reserves, No Regrets, by numerous authors
Original Intent by David Barton
Reasons for Believing By Frank Harber
The Battle For Truth, by David Noebel
Revised and Expanded Answers Book by Ken Ham
Thinking Straight in a Crooked World by Gary DeMar

Then retake the test and see what improvements you or your teen have made.
For a refutation of this statement the following statements:

If you want to study the original source of law, then study the previous decisions of judges since our laws are always evolving based on the most recent decisions of our nation's judges.

Since God is not the author of law, the author of law must be man. In other words, the law is the law simply because the highest human authority, which is the state, has said it is law and is able to back it up by force.

Please see John Eidsmoe, Christianity & the Constitution (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1987, 2003).

Here is a bias breakdown of my test results:

Your detailed question breakdown follows:
Section: Civil Government section score: 50%
Moderate Biblical Worldview Thinker
As long as government is serving the purpose for which God created it, government is approved by God. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (0 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
American founding fathers violated New Testament principles when they founded America. Your answer: Strongly Disagree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
The more a government resembles a pure democracy the more disorder and confusion occur. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (0 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Individual freedoms would be advanced and protected under a one-world government under United Nations authority. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
Under some circumstances Christians are called to disobey the laws of government. Your answer: Strongly Agree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Making the incomes of its citizens as equal as possible should be one of the top priorities of any legitimate government. Your answer: Tend to Agree (0 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
The founding fathers had no biblical reason in mind when they made America a Constitutional Republic instead of a pure democracy. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
A God given responsibility of government is to protect the righteous and punish the wicked. Your answer: Strongly Agree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Section: Economics section score: 25%
Secular Humanist Worldview Thinker
The Bible states that money is the root of all evil. Your answer: Strongly Agree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
The biblical purpose for wealth is to provide for one's family, proclaim the Gospel, be a blessing to others, test your stewardship and one's loyalty to God. Your answer: Strongly Agree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
It is the responsibility of the federal government to create wealth. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
Physically and mentally healthy adults that do not work should not be protected from suffering the consequences of their actions. Your answer: Tend to Agree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Making as much money as you can is more important than whether you have a good reputation. Your answer: Strongly Disagree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
All forms of government-sponsored socialism stifle economic growth and prosperity to one degree or another. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (0 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Christians should be directly opposed to a state lottery for numerous biblical and economical reasons. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (0 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
When you study the Bible as a whole, it becomes clear that God is very supportive of an economic system that is based on private property, the work ethic, and personal responsibility. Your answer: Strongly Disagree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Section: Education section score: 25%
Secular Humanist Worldview Thinker
The federal government should fund school-based health clinics which would include safe-sex counseling. Your answer: Strongly Agree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
The federal government should be directly involved in determining which students go to college and which students go into the work place and what jobs they hold. Your answer: Strongly Disagree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
The federal government should require that only a federally licensed teacher be permitted to teach or instruct a child in an educational setting. Your answer: Strongly Disagree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
Science, history, literature and other advanced educational skills and facts can be taught without a religious or philosophical foundation. Your answer: Strongly Agree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
Values clarification courses or situational ethics should be taught to students in our educational system. Your answer: Tend to Agree (0 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
The federal government should require students to pass a national test before graduating from high school. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
Section: family section score: -33%
Communist/Marxist/Socialist/Secular Humanist Worldview Thinker
Since it is her body a women should be free to end her pregnancy with an abortion. Your answer: Tend to Agree (0 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
The federal government should pass legislation allowing doctors and family members to decide when a loved one should be put to death based on the individual's quality of life. Your answer: Strongly Agree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
Homosexual marriages should be legalized. Your answer: Strongly Agree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
Section: law section score: 19%
Socialist Worldview Thinker
If you want to study the original source of law, then study the previous decisions of judges since our laws are always evolving based on the most recent decisions of our nation's judges. Your answer: Strongly Agree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
Civil disobedience by Christians is always wrong and unbiblical. Your answer: Strongly Disagree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
The original intent of our founding fathers was a form of government that was free to set its own policy only if God had not already ruled in that area. Our founders believed that our man made laws were not to contradict the laws of God. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (0 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Legislating morality is a violation of the separation of church and state. Your answer: Strongly Agree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
The wording "separation of church and state" is found in the U.S. Constitution. Your answer: Strongly Disagree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
The separation of church and state must be enforced, prohibiting the acknowledgment of God in the public schools, governmental buildings, meetings & property. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
There are no specific, God-given principles related to law, or if there are, they should not be the foundation of today's legal systems. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
Since God is not the author of law, the author of law must be man. In other words, the law is the law simply because the highest human authority, which is the state, has said it is law and is able to back it up by force. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
Our judicial system should allow judges, through their decisions and rulings, to guide and shape the foundational basis of law. Your answer: Strongly Agree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
There must be absolutes if there is to be moral and legal order. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (0 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
The Bible specifically instructs the people of a nation to base the selection of their judges on biblical principles. Your answer: Tend to Agree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
The Bible states that the government does not bear the sword in vain. Numerous verses throughout the Bible make it clear that capital punishment administered by the government, for those that have committed capital crimes, is biblically acceptable. Your answer: Strongly Disagree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
The Ten Commandments originally provided a basis for our legal and political system creating justice and peace. Your answer: Tend to Agree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Section: Religion section score: 48%
Secular Humanist Worldview Thinker
One of the Ten Commandments is, "thou shalt not kill;", thus it stands to reason that God is opposed to war and nations going to war. Your answer: Strongly Agree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
Family, church and state are institutions ordained by God. Your answer: Tend to Agree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
The Bible is a reflection of God's character and nature. Your answer: Strongly Agree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
To know God we must study the Bible and be taught by the Holy Spirit who inspired the Bible. Your answer: Tend to Agree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Salvation is a gift from God that cannot be earned. Your answer: Strongly Agree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
While there is evidence for the defense and reason of a biblical worldview and the claims of Christ and Christianity, it is impossible to please God without faith. Your answer: Strongly Agree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Every person who has ever lived on earth, but Adam and Eve and Jesus Christ, was born with a sin nature. Your answer: Strongly Agree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
The Holy Spirit does not really exist. Your answer: Strongly Disagree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
God is the Creator of the universe. Your answer: Strongly Agree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
God had no beginning and has no end. Your answer: Strongly Agree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Ultimately every individual will bow their knee and confess with their mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord. Your answer: Strongly Agree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
The Bible and a biblical worldview played an instrumental role in building our American civilization, original laws and form of government. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (0 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
The Bible is a consistent revelation from beginning to end. Your answer: Strongly Disagree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Your worldview is the foundation of your values and your values are the foundation of your actions. Your answer: Strongly Agree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
All religions are equally true. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
The Bible is God's revealed Word and should be the basis of our worldview. Your answer: Strongly Disagree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Jesus was crucified on the cross but was NOT physically raised from the dead. Your answer: Strongly Disagree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
If God does not exist, all things are permissible. Your answer: Tend to Agree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Believers should not only base their philosophy in Christ, but they should know how to respond to the critics and skeptics of Christianity with the reasoning and basis of our biblical worldview. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (0 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Jesus Christ lived a sinless life. Your answer: Strongly Agree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
God is the creator of all life. Your answer: Strongly Agree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
There is more than one way to God. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
There is a Bible verse that states that God helps those that help themselves. Your answer: Strongly Agree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
Satan is real. Your answer: Strongly Disagree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Individuals must ultimately face the consequences of their actions before a Holy God. Your answer: Strongly Agree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
A good person can earn his or her way to heaven if their good deeds outweigh their bad deeds. Your answer: Strongly Disagree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
A Christian can develop a biblical worldview for every major area of life by studying the Bible from beginning to end in context. Your answer: Strongly Agree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
The Bible, rightly divided, should be the foundation for all our beliefs, actions, and conduct. Your answer: Strongly Disagree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Both Secular Humanism and Marxism are religious worldviews. Your answer: Strongly Disagree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Section: Science section score: 12%
Socialist Worldview Thinker
There is no reason why a biblically-minded Christian should be opposed to human cloning. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
If the research and theory of a group of scientists contradicts the Word of God, the error is with the scientists, not the Bible. Your answer: Strongly Disagree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
There is no evidence for a world-wide flood. Your answer: Tend to Agree (0 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
Adam and Eve were fictional characters that never really lived. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
The more one discovers about the universe, the more one discovers design. Your answer: Tend to Agree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
God used the process of biological evolution to create the world as we know it today. Your answer: Strongly Agree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
Biological evolution (life from non-life to human beings) runs contrary to reason, science and history. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (0 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Life begins at conception. Your answer: Tend to Agree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
Section: social issues section score: 43%
Secular Humanist Worldview Thinker
Truth is either nonexistent or unknowable. Your answer: Strongly Disagree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
One of the greatest virtues one can posses is the virtue of tolerance as defined by our postmodern world; namely, we accept everyone's lifestyles as equal. Your answer: Tend to Agree (0 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
The Bible says, judge not lest you be judged, which means we are not to judge the choices or behavior of a person as right or wrong. We all make mistakes, and thus we should not judge someone's actions or behavior according to any particular standard. Your answer: Strongly Agree (-1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
Biblically minded Christians should look at the issues of the world as falling into one of two categories, the secular and the sacred. Your answer: Strongly Disagree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
Pastors and Christians that speak out publicly against homosexuality should be prosecuted for hate speech and a hate crime. Your answer: Tend to Agree (0 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
Truth is discovered by man, not created by man. Your answer: Tend to Agree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree
If it "works" for you then it must be true. Your answer: Tend to Disagree (1 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Disagree
Immoral ideas that are put into practice have consequences. Your answer: Strongly Agree (2 points)
Correct answer: Strongly Agree

Take the test yourself here: Worldview Test.

It's Time: Week 8---A Baptist Witness That Dissents On Manichaeistic Fundamentalism

Week 8 was suppose to be about Baptist heritage and Dr. Queen's sermon was of course, but in Sunday School, we had a bombardment of Anti-Baptist Neo-Manichaeistic Fundamentalist Dualism. I've never heard so much rampant Neo-Manichaeism in a church setting in person before except for a few times in small groups, maybe, but wow what antithetical Baptist thinking. Our teacher said one can't follow "secular" humanism and Christianity at the same time implying an us vs. them, absolute black and white, either/or mentality. I would like to know if he'd say that to the Reformers---most of whom followed in part some form of humanism blended with Christianity such as: Erasmus and one of my ancestors, George Buchanan. Anyways, here are some more thoughts on the Neo-Manichaeism of Fundamentalism:
First, here is the Fundamentalist Project's "definition of fundamentalism (which) has nine sections, five
related to the fundamentalist ideology, and four to the groups’ organization":

1) Reactivity to the marginalization of religion. Fundamentalist movements are “concerned first with the erosion of religion and its role in society”, and they therefore protect “some religious content, some set of traditional cosmological beliefs and associated norms of conduct”.#--- (#= This and the following quotations are from Gabriel A. Almond, Emmanuel Sivan and R. Scott Appleby, “Fundamentalism: Genus and Species”, in Martin E. Marty and R. Scott Appleby, eds., Fundamentalisms Comprehended, Chicago, The University of Chicago Press., 1995, pp. 399-424)
2) Selectivity. Fundamentalism is not merely defensive of the tradition, but “selects and reshapes aspects” of it, that differentiate fundamentalist ideology from the religious mainstream. Similarly, fundamentalists accept some sides of modernity (particularly its technological and organizational features), but refuse others (mainly the ideological
underpinnings of modernity, such as relativism, secularism, and pluralism), some of which are singled out “for special attention, usually in the form of focused opposition”.
3) Moral manicheism. The fundamentalist worldview considers reality to be “uncompromisingly divided into light [...] and darkness[...]. The world outside the group is therefore contaminated, sinful, doomed; the world inside is a pure and redeemed ‘remnant’”.
4) Absolutism and inerrancy. Fundamentalists share a belief in the inerrancy of their sacred texts, “or its analogues (e.g., papal infallibility, a privileged school of Islamic jurisprudence, etc.)”; with a recognizable approach to sacred sources, which opposes the hermeneutical methods.
5) Millennialism and messianism. In their view, history has a miraculous culmination, when “the good will triumph over evil”; and “the end of days, preceded by trials and tribulations, will be ushered in by the Messiah, the Savior; the Hidden Imam”.
6) Elect, chosen membership. The militants of the fundamentalist groups tend to consider their membership as “‘elect’, chosen, divinely called”.
7) Sharp boundaries. Among fundamentalist movements is widespread the idea of a separation between the faithful and the sinful, with the notion “of a dividing wall and other spatial metaphors”. The separation can be
physical, or “implemented through audiovisual boundaries, through a distinctive vocabulary, and through control over access to the media”.
8) Authoritarian organization. Although membership is voluntary, with frequent trends towards equalitarianism, “the typical form of fundamentalism organization is charismatic, a leader-follower relationship”. The tension between these two features makes movements sometimes fragile. Moreover, “since there can be no loyal opposition, there is a tendency toward fragmentation”.
9) Behavioral requirements. “The member’s time, space, and activity are a group resource, not an individual one”. In order to create “a powerful affective dimension, an imitative, conforming dimension”, groups thus have “distinctive music, [...] rules for dress [...] drinking, sexuality, appropriate speech, and the discipline of children”, with censorship of reading and audio-visual material.

How Right-Wing Conservatives are Manichaeistic:

Although the neo-conservatives are secular (and oftentimes quite liberal in their social outlook) and the religious right is theologically-based, these two currents share a number of ideas:

both currents are Manicheistic, i.e., they see the world in absolute black and white, good and evil;

both currents define the forces of good as being led by the U.S. and Israel and see the forces of evil (once defined as the Soviet Union and now see as "the axis of evil" states supporting terror) as including Arabs and Islam;

both currents are confrontational and uncompromising. They believe that there can be no accommodation made with those representing evil. Both, therefore, seek confrontation and conflict, not a resolution of tensions through negotiations; and

both currents are absolutist, since their ideology will allow only for total victory.

Also, Rich Mullins had this to say about the Manichaeism of Fundamentalism: "Everything is spiritual. Which is another hang-up I have with Protestantism, and even more specifically with Evangelicalism. It’s more like Manicheism than anything else. This dualistic system that says that everything physical is evil, and the only good things are spiritual things. And I go, ‘Wow! John wrote a good bit of what he wrote to counter that kind of thinking.’ And yet, all these Bible-believing, Bible-thumping born-again-ers are going around professing the very thing that John tried to put out." (Brendt Waters, interview with Rich Mullins, conducted in April 1996). See also: A Comparison between Manichean & Christian Views of Evil, Persian philosophy and Manichean Texts. Also, it is interesting how fundies always reduce everything to issues of sexuality and compromising morality---even issues, which aren’t sexual in nature are rooted in sexual rhetoric---ie. Sins of the flesh, flesh-nature, etc.---which is part of the reason Fundamentalism promotes a semi-docetic/Manichaean view of humanity.

Next we were told that "secular humanists" were trying to convince Christians that homophobia is wrong and abortion in any case is right and that we should always stand against homosexuality and abortion in all cases as well as pray for adulterers. First of all, it's anti-Baptist to coerce people in matters of conscience as freedom is one of the most cherished tenets of Baptist distinctives. Secondly, homosexuality is most certainly not wrong, but homophobia is even within a Christian context---see: Homosexuality . Thirdly, abortion is debatable as opinions within a Christian framework have changed over time. Consider Saint Thomas Aquinas who supported and defended abortion in every case---so for all the clamor of the Roman Catholic Church’s support and defense of an Absolute Unchanging Morality---Catholic theological opinions seemed to have changed over the years over this so called “Absolute Unchanging Morality.” (See Aquinas on human ensoulment for a counter argument). Also within an uncontextual literalistic and legalistic vacuum in which Fundamentalists read the bible, abortion is permissible as God decreed abortion as per these verses and God's decrees are eternal in a Traditional understanding of God's attributes:

Numbers 31:17
English Revised Version
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. (Murder of possible pregnant women= infanticide or feticide)

Hosea 13:16GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
The people of Samaria are guilty as charged because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed in war, their children will be smashed to death, and their pregnant women will be ripped open. (abortion)

Psalm 137:9 (Douay-Rheims Bible)
Blessed be he that shall take and dash thy little ones against the rock. (infanticide)---for example.

See also: Why Abortion is Biblical ---my view is here: TheoPoetic Musings: A THEOLOGICAL DECLARATION AND 95 THESES FOR BAPTIST PROGRESSION. It is interesting to note how anti-abortionist Fundamentalists use Deuteronomy 5:16 to condemn abortion but support capital punishment and war. It's interesting how all the issues mentioned yesterday in Sunday School were sexual in nature, but no calls to stand against the capitalist materialism of Right-Wing Conservatives or to stand against war as Jesus and the Early Church did as for example:

Tatians(164)

You wish (to) make war, and you take Apollo as a counsellor of slaughter. You want to carry off a maiden by force, and you select a divinity to be your accomplice. You are ill by your own fault; and, as Agamemnon wished for ten councillors, so you wish to have gods with you. Some woman by drinking water gets into a frenzy, and loses her senses by the fumes of frankincense, and you say that she has the gift of prophecy. Apollo was a prognosticator and a teacher of soothsayers: in the matter of Daphne he deceived himself. An oak, forsooth, is oracular, and birds utter presages! And so you are inferior to animals and plants! It would surely be a fine thing for you to become a divining rod, or to assume the wings of a bird! He who makes you fond of money also foretells your getting rich; he who excites to seditions and wars also predicts victory in war. If you are superior to the passions, you will despise all worldly things. Do not abhor us who have made this attainment, but, repudiating the demons, follow the one God. "All things were made by Him, and without Him not one thing was made." If there is poison in natural productions, this has supervened through our sinfulness. I am able to show the perfect truth of these things; only do you hearken, and he who believes will understand. I do not want to be a king: I do not wish to be rich: I decline military service: I hate fornication. (Cadoux, pg 103)

Justin Martyr (d. 165)
writings (153‑160?) martyred

And when you hear that we look for a kingdom, you suppose, without making any inquiry, that we speak of a human kingdom; whereas we speak of that which is with God, as appears also from the confession of their faith made by those who are charged with being Christians, though they know that death is the punishment awarded to him who so confesses. For if we looked for a human kingdom, we should also deny our Christ, that we might not be slain; and we should strive to escape detection, that we might obtain what we expect. But since our thoughts are not fixed on the present, we are not concerned when men cut us off; since also death is a debt which must at all events be paid. (I Apology, 11) And when the Spirit of prophecy speaks as predicting things that are to come to pass, He speaks in this way: "For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. And He shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people; and they shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning‑hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more." And that it did so come to pass, we can convince you. For from Jerusalem there went out into the world, men, twelve in number, and these illiterate, of no ability in speaking: but by the power of God they proclaimed to every race of men that they were sent by Christ to teach to all the word of God; and we who formerly used to murder one another do not only now refrain from making war upon our enemies, but also, that we may not lie nor deceive our examiners, willingly die confessing Christ.

And:
Athenagoras
'Legatio pro Christianis & De Resurrectione (177‑180)

For the robber, or ruler, or tyrant, who has unjustly put to death myriads on myriads, could not by one death make restitution for these deeds; and the man who holds no true opinion concerning God, but lives in all outrage and blasphemy, despises divine things, breaks the laws, commits outrage against boys and women alike, razes cities unjustly, burns houses with their inhabitants, and devastates a country, and at the same time destroys inhabitants of cities and peoples, and even an entire nation‑‑how in a mortal body could he endure a penalty adequate to these crimes, since death prevents the deserved punishment, and the mortal nature does not suffice for any single one of his deeds? It is proved, therefore, that neither in the present life is there a judgment according to men's deserts, nor after death. (The Resurrection of the dead, 19) How, then, when we do not even look on, lest we should contract guilt and pollution, can we put people to death? And when we say that those women who use drugs to bring on abortion commit murder, and will have to give an account to God s for the abortion, on what principle should we commit murder? For it does not belong to the same person to regard the very foetus in the womb as a created being, and therefore an object of God's care, and when it has passed into life, to kill it. (A Plea for the Christians, 35)

Anyways as a Baptist, I should have dissented on the opinions professed in Sunday School yesterday, so here I just did.